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defdes
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    Posted: 25 May 2003 at 1:16pm

I was looking for a new U67 head to build up for my LZ 2.2. Someone is trying to sell me a 210 saying there is little difference. I have read that the U67 is THE head for this conversion. Can anyone clarify? What are the differences between the two? and assuming I will be adding new valves, cam, etc. Which would be better?

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bullet Posted: 25 May 2003 at 2:44pm
the 210 is a head for an L16 I think.......the U67 is from a L20B...and it would flow better
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bullet Posted: 25 May 2003 at 2:55pm

A 210 head has tiny intake ports and small valves, which are too small for the L16 it came on, will utterly STRANGLE a L20B, and would be horrendous on a LZ22.  Sure, they can be ported and have the valves redone, but if it hasn't had any of that it isn't worth anything.

But a U67 isn't the only choice- an A87 will work as well (most US-spec ones have open chambers but there's a lot of closed chamber ones.  The open chamber ones cost less).  Or a U60, which are a bit hard to find but pretty much the same as a U67.

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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 12:03pm
I do believe that the 210 is a like a smaller sss! The a87 is really really small it came stock on a l16 I have one! The u67 is by far way better for the larger engine like our lz22's I am using a modified u67 on my lz22. The ports are bigger and they can be modded to even bigger. Check this quote from a Book I have check out headinfo1 this should tell you a little more!!! http://photos.yahoo.com/cgraff95621
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 12:20pm

Hey CDOGG, thanks for the reply. What kind of HP are you pulling on your Z22? Someone left a post on another thread about using the Z car valves and such, and maybe a DAMB cam? Spray bar? what ru  doing? and buy the way, the link you left me was empty, what was it?

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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 12:45pm
Well first off My engine is being built by a datsun pro! The power should be around 150+ with a 38/38 dges weber(for drive ability) but the hp is not the highlight the torque will be 200+ easy, guranteed! All that mated behind a 240sx 5spd with short shifter, custom made one piece drive line in a short cab short bed 73 620! As for the link if you have email I can mail it to you I scanned the how to hot rod book about the u67 and apps. Ohh yea I will be running a 280/480 cam cannon intake and a header( I hope). The engine should be done in two weeks I CAN'T WAIT!!!!Chris
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 12:54pm
Chris, what do you know about the 38/38? I assume it would be something like running 38mm su's? I want something that would feed the high end more than the bottom, but I'm only sportin' a JAp spec L18. Any Idears?
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 1:01pm
I bought this off of ebay the 38/38 is the upgrade to the 32/36 down draft. The 32/36 might be better for you. They are the best for all around performance, by that I mean tuneability and driveability, milage you know that kind of stuff. As for the su's they can be really good carbs when dialed and tuned right. What are you looking for in particular?? Chris
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2003 at 1:36pm
what do you mean by upgrade? I ran a 32 36 before, and I liked it, but I want to try something diff. My choices are a su carb setup with 44 z carbs, or a 38 38 on an L16 manny, w/ the high rise adaptor. I'm after higher end horsepower, not so much low end. But I have to be able to drive it everyday, too. I was just curious about what the 38 38 has to offer over th32 36, know what I mean?
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2003 at 11:29am
The 38/38 is a bigger carb by a little (the 32/36= 32mm/36mm as does the 38/38 mean that it is 38/38mm). As for you wanting to run 44's su's I am assuming, that is just too much carb for a little 1.6L. In a fully race prept turbo L16 by bc gerolamy they never got more than 160+ hp. What year is your vehicle? Are you exempt? If so you might want to do a low buck l20 if your funds arent there. Your best bet is 32/36 with a cannon intake. Any more questions just ask, me and my buddy either know or know some one who can help! Chris
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2003 at 12:07pm
No, dude, I have a japanese L18 with an A87 peanut chamber head, it's been dropped into a 1977 620 shortbed/shortcab. I know the 38/38 is bigger than the 32/36, but I haven't heard of anyone actually using it, yet. I just want to try something different than a 32/36, besides, I'm aiming for high end horsepower. Again, my truck is a sand toy/ daily driver.
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header,cammed & bored.
zx oil pump,starter,headbolts
& water pump/pulley.
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2003 at 12:35pm
Me and a buddy are takling about this and pretty much the only way you could get away with running a 38/38 on a l18 is to bore it over 40. Then you'll be ok. The bore is the same on a l20b as the l18 but with more stroke. My buddy also says that the smaller su's are good(38mm) and they work well with the l18. In your over all stock condition 32/36 is still your best bet!!!
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2003 at 4:25pm
I think you will want to run dual sidedrafts to get 150hp out of that motor.
The 38/38 carb isnt all that much bigger than a 32/36 DGV
I tryed to buy a LZ22 hybrid from this guy named chris and I didnt think it was that muchbetter than my L-18 in my yellow 510 and it has 40mm Mikunis on there.
The trick on the 38/38 is the manifold. Alot of people use the stock one which kindof chocks it down plus the air has to go in a 90deg bend. losing some vol.
But I like to hear about your conclusions. I will think you will go to a sidedraft set up.
But I friend in Austrailia was running 2 webers. But he really had to rev it up. I told him to lower the gear ratio.
Later he went to a 38/38 and it was more streetable. But I think he lossed some HP. But he has a intake that was for that carb which had the big bottom on there were the gas was mixing. This was a 2000cc Pinto motor in a Ford Cortina 1969.

I do have a U67 head with the 280z valves ported and polished in my spare room. I paid 250$ for it I dont think Im going to use it It even has a cam in it. Be honest it looks almost to big. The only thing I dont like about it it has the rockers reground. I dont know if I would run reground Rockers.
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