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    Posted: 31 August 2006 at 4:23am

on my 521 i did the tranny swap to a 240z and when i connected the cable the mph was out of wack, so i removed it 2 1/2 years ago and haven't fixed the problem and i really want to know how fast i'm going. rite know i'm driving by following other drivers and it sucks when the streets are empty.lol

i don't got cable but i'll buy a new just need to know if i have to change the speedogear from the tranny and put the old one in?

if anybubby can help, thanx in advance

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bullet Posted: 31 August 2006 at 10:38am
Sal your speedo will always be off because of the different tire/rim size it is now compared to stock. On my 620 w/ 17's it's 10 mph fast meaning if it says 50 im actually going 40. What i did was have my wife pull along side of me in her car [stock] at a certain speed then yell out how fast she was going..i know it's ghetto but it worked. Just buy a new cable & it should screw right in. You can also have your speedo recalibrated but i say its not nessesary & may cost too much.
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bullet Posted: 31 August 2006 at 2:57pm
thanx mark but when i mean out of wack is that i'm barely in 1st gear and it says i'm going 50mph. i did have my wife follow along side of me to know fast i was going at 5ooorpm she told me 105mph.
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bullet Posted: 31 August 2006 at 3:51pm
The truck and Z final ratio isn't THAT different. Should only be off by 11% or so. There's something wrong with your head unit. How far off is the odometer? I have a speedo that reads only 2/3 of the actual speed but the odometer is correct. The magnet is bad.
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bullet Posted: 31 August 2006 at 7:16pm
it was fine with the stock 4 speed. so it doesn't make that much of the difference. i'm gonna buy a new cable. it might of been the way it was routed then. thanx
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bullet Posted: 31 August 2006 at 7:39pm
what about changing the cog in the trans:
Originally posted by Bleach (a long time ago)


YELLOW is the 16 tooth for the 3.36
BLACK is the 17 tooth for the 3.54
BLUE is the 18 tooth for the 3.70
WHITE is the 19 tooth for the 3.90
RED is the 20 tooth for the 4.11
PURPLE is the 21 tooth for the 4.375

These numbers are for Z-cars. Datsun trucks have larger stock tires... so the final drive ratio is one step higher than stated. So in a 620 you would have...

WHITE is the 19 tooth for the 4.11
RED is the 20 tooth for the 4.375
PURPLE is the 21 tooth for the 4.625
????? is the 22(?) tooth for the 4.875

As an example, a white cog could be used in a:
280ZX 3.9 rear 205-60-15 tires
[same final drive ratio as]
620truck 4.11 rear 205-70-15 tires

Lower gear ratio, taller tires.
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bullet Posted: 01 September 2006 at 1:09am
A bad cable won't make it run fast. Or slow- makes it jumpy.
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'68 520
'72 521 V6
'74,75,79 620s
'76,78 4X4
'76 KC
'72 510 Wgn
'78 B210
'78,81 510 Wgn
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bullet Posted: 01 September 2006 at 2:47am
thats what mine was jumping and skipping and , but i will check what kind of cog and i will go off that. thanx guys again
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bullet Posted: 01 September 2006 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by 71-521

what about changing the cog in the trans:
Originally posted by Bleach (a long time ago)


YELLOW is the 16 tooth for the 3.36
BLACK is the 17 tooth for the 3.54
BLUE is the 18 tooth for the 3.70
WHITE is the 19 tooth for the 3.90
RED is the 20 tooth for the 4.11
PURPLE is the 21 tooth for the 4.375

These numbers are for Z-cars. Datsun trucks have larger stock tires... so the final drive ratio is one step higher than stated. So in a 620 you would have...

WHITE is the 19 tooth for the 4.11
RED is the 20 tooth for the 4.375
PURPLE is the 21 tooth for the 4.625
????? is the 22(?) tooth for the 4.875

As an example, a white cog could be used in a:
280ZX 3.9 rear 205-60-15 tires
[same final drive ratio as]
620truck 4.11 rear 205-70-15 tires

Lower gear ratio, taller tires.


Now this is helpfull! My truck has 4:11's with 33's (was 4:375 but had to change)and the speedo is REALLY wrong. Every trans I see I pull the cog, almost all are blue (3:70) even a diesel 5 spd. My drive cog is in the transfer case and all that I have pulled are blue also. So I need a black or yellow. The only black one I found was from a 4 spd. and has longer housing.
'78 620 flatbed,'79 dizzy, Bosch 90 amp alt.,p.s.,Z 5 speed, '80 transfer case,toyo 4:10 ft. axle with 4 piston calipers,'85 4x4 wire harness and dash,2oo sx elect. windows, 12.50x33 tires on 82 frame
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bullet Posted: 02 September 2006 at 12:22am
now if we only knew what vehicles had which color stock and   then it would make it easier...or find a speedo shop that has them cheaply
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bullet Posted: 02 September 2006 at 2:36pm
Trouble with that is it might have an optional rear end gear installed at the factory. A list would only point in the right direction, only way to be sure is to pull them and count the teeth. The Z car garage warns not to trust colour, always count teeth.

I have several blue, a red, a white and a black(but it only fits a 4 spd.)

240 w/4 spd came with 3.90
240/260 w/5 spd came with 3.364
260 2+2 came with 3.70
260 w/4 spd came with 3.364
Auto trans modles came with 3.545
Probably different ones were available from factory or may have been changed.

Went through one of those speed radars where they display your kpm. I put the speedo exactly on 50 kpm, and the radar said 58, so doudling to 100 kph or roughly 61 mph, I'm goung 16 kph x 0.621 = 71.92 or 11 mph over at 60!!

Dealer is supposed to have them, the FS5W71B was used up to at least '75. The Z Car Garage says to knock out the roll pin and remove just the plastic gear on it's little axle. The replacement goes back on the same way. The plug with the O ring that holds it in the trany stays the same. How can this be? Each gear would have a different no. of teeth and a different diameter, woulden't it. So if you used a larger diameter it would squash against the drive gear in the tailstock, a smaller one woulden't reach the drive gear.    
I'm missing something here I guess.
'78 620 flatbed,'79 dizzy, Bosch 90 amp alt.,p.s.,Z 5 speed, '80 transfer case,toyo 4:10 ft. axle with 4 piston calipers,'85 4x4 wire harness and dash,2oo sx elect. windows, 12.50x33 tires on 82 frame
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bullet Posted: 02 September 2006 at 4:03pm
you know, I thought the same thing when I was researching this...
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bullet Posted: 02 September 2006 at 8:02pm
Also the housing or bung that holds it has a groove in it that allows a small bolt and key to hold it in place. Chrysler used to have a similer set up but the housing could be turned like a dial. The ratios were stamped on it like a clock, all you did was install it at the ratio you were useing and lock it down. As I said I have a red, blue and black... all are different diameter. I think the plug with the plastic gear should be changed as a unit. The gear would be cheap, but with the housing and all the machining and threads cut into it... even if available, $$$
Well I went back and re read the article (Datsun Z Car Garage)and it said to only change the cog so I think they are wrong or misunderstood.
'78 620 flatbed,'79 dizzy, Bosch 90 amp alt.,p.s.,Z 5 speed, '80 transfer case,toyo 4:10 ft. axle with 4 piston calipers,'85 4x4 wire harness and dash,2oo sx elect. windows, 12.50x33 tires on 82 frame
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