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    Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:22pm
i guess it was only a matter of time, but here it is. in only a couple of days, this guy named paul is going to be puting disc brake conversions on the market for our early pickups (521's and 620's). 10"-13" rotors with wilwoods! so there. no more mixing and matching to get yourself disc brakes... the price is going to be around 1500 (ouch). the price is like that because he's just having to spend so much time making each one; he has to fabricate the hats for each and every one. there you go fellas. here's a link to his ebay store, but like i said, it will be a couple of days before he'll post them cause he only just finished them on his 620.
http://stores.ebay.com/PAULS-FAB-AND-PERFORMANCE
later guys, jw.
hoping for some flat slide side draft action pretty soon!
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:33pm
I'm particularly interested in checking this out. I love seeing that price! To all the guys that said my way was too complicated....there's your "bolt on" option.....at 5X's the price!!! :)
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:58pm
thats fair. but its not JUST like that, i mean these are 4piston calipers with 13" rotors, so thats something, ya'no? i am just really happy to see somebody invest in our trucks like this, since its been the dimes that have gotten so much attention thus far. and btw he will have it listed for 620's but like i said it will fit 521's and he will make sure to put that on the item description. later
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:30pm
Dude I need to get some cash saved up, dude could you make the writing blue so I can just click on it? For some reason when I type it I get an error message, I'm sure its me but I like the click idea.
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:52pm
Sorry...didn't mean to come off harsh about it. I totally agree, they will be a much better setup than anything I've got going. I just like the perspective it puts on things.   It seemed that most guys wanted cheap and bolt on. This shows that you can't have both. I seriously hope he gets a bunch of sales!!

My way is still viable for the guys that can handle the fab work and want to do it themselves.

Keep in mind, that the big brakes won't fit behind 14" rims. Anyone buying his setup will most likely be sporting custom rims anyway.

I get off on the fabricating end of things, so I have more fun building than buying. If I had a lathe, I'd have built my own hubs, but that's way too much work to be paying someone to do. If he's building these manually(non-CNC) then he certainly deserves the $'s for doing it!!!!

Taco521 had wilwoods on the front of his, but I haven't seen him on the forum in a LONG time.
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 2:13pm
Speaking of someone not on the forum in a long time, has anyone seen or heard anything out of Ron, AKA: Ol'Yeller??? I wonder how He is doing.
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 2:14pm
http://stores.ebay.com/PAULS-FAB-AND-PERFORMANCE

There ya go man

Nice work on the bling bolt on option
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 2:53pm

I'm curious to see this kit as well.  Wondering how complete it is.  Would be nice is the kit also included a 15/16" dual-master, pre-bent hard lines, a proportioning valve and new braided lines.  Discs are nice to have, but it'd be a shame to throw them on a single master system.

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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 4:12pm
Thanks for the blue writing, I didn't see any control arms and brakes though? Yeah mike 1300 is a lot with my 18's I don't even have close to that in my truck, I'm not saying I'm not going to invest in a set.

I do now what you mean mike, the reason I would buy a set is there are so many other projects I would rather work on right now. And the drums suck, I just about died last friday. I write the story but I'm way to lazy, instead at the bbq I'll tell you that way I can swear and wave my arms around while telling it :-)
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 5:27pm
nice. yeah thanks for turning it into a link for me. and uh, he called me up and told me he was going to post it today, and it looks like he did. nice.oh yeah and i will be looking forward to hearing that story at the bbq.... oh wait... i live in austin tx, nevermind. yeah that would be cool if he offered that other stuff too. it probably wouldnt be very cost effective... well then again he might be able to sell more kits if they were COMPLETE complete. oh well, it will be a little while before i can throw down for these. but someday...
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 2:48am
THATS FREAKING INSANE!!! I'm sorry, but $1500... are you serious? R & D aside, there is nowhere near that much in parts. Hes selling a 4 wheel kit kisted at $1200. For that matter, aside from the rotors themselves, that kit looks very similar to the 510 rear kit hes got listed at $500! For $1500-$2000 I'll get a Mustang II IFS kit & install it at my shop. That will have balljoints, discs, rack & pinion, etc.
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 2:04pm

I have spoken with Paul on the phone. He sounded like he really knowes his ratsun stuff!! I was going to drive over to his shop and pick up a few things for my Dime but I have not had the time or the money  He is only about 20min. away from where I live

 

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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 2:06pm
excuse my spelling on the previous post I ran out of coffee yesterday
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by layinga521

THATS FREAKING INSANE!!! I'm sorry, but $1500... are you serious? R & D aside, there is nowhere near that much in parts. Hes selling a 4 wheel kit kisted at $1200. For that matter, aside from the rotors themselves, that kit looks very similar to the 510 rear kit hes got listed at $500! For $1500-$2000 I'll get a Mustang II IFS kit & install it at my shop. That will have balljoints, discs, rack & pinion, etc.

if you feel that strongly about it, you could email paul about it and ask. he seems like a good guy, i dont know why he would charge more than he needs to, especially since the 510 kit is so obviously similar. check it out man; like i said, he seems like a good guy and he will probably shoot straight with you. later.
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 4:44pm
Well, I'm getting a good chuckle out of this! :)

The dual m/c is basically a "must have" unless you put a wilwood proportioning valve in the rear line some where. The backs will want to lock up....but then again, with 13" rotors, you'll probably be eating steering wheel by the time that happens. This is basically the same thing that Jesse did with the Toyota Landcruiser stuff. I looked at doing something similar with a chevy rotor, but didn't pursue it too far. I avoided wilwood as an option simply because of the price!

The top hat has got to be a modified wilwood piece. If he built it from scratch, I doubt he would have put the countersunk holes in it since there's no holes in the stock hub. So, the part where I was impressed that he was building the hubs is gone...unless I'm wrong and he did scratch build the top hats.

My two concerns with this are the fact that the stock inner bearing is used and they're getting real hard to find. The second is clearance. I tried to have my bracket position the caliper straight out like that so the same bracket would fit both sides, but it hit the lower kingpin fulcrum bolt and limited the turning radius drastically. Maybe his stick out far enough to clear because of the big rotors. I'm trying to remember all this....I don't think they can go to the front because of the steering arm...and I aleady explained the problem with going straight to the rear. I didn't find out about the rear clearance issues until I mounted the setup. I used a kingpin setup on the bench and never thought about the fulcrum pins getting in the way.

The plate looks nice and clean....and since it's the same plate for both sides, that should make it cheaper.

It's a nice looking setup. I'm quite disappointed that the price is that high and it still revolves around the stock hub. Custom hubs would have justified that kind of price and could have potentially used a different bearing that is more readily available.

That being said.....I am impressed at the simplicity of it!! It is quite ingenious to modify an existing top hat to fit the stock hub. I'm sure glad someone out there has the money to play with "real" parts like the Wilwood stuff!!! I know that I sure can't swing it!! I had a hard time just funding the scrapyard version I built! :)

Kudos to this guy for making the kit....I hope he sells a bunch!!!!
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 5:25pm
Yeah mike I agree with you, it should of used something new, like all new control arms with ball joints. But I can understand why he did it that way. The cost would be way to high if it was all rengineried suspention.

So the wheel bearings are slim pickens mike?
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bullet Posted: 28 April 2006 at 6:26pm
The inner is a 32KB02. Part of the challenge is that no parts supplier lists the inner bearing correctly on the 521. They list a 30206(if I'm remembering that right)*edit* which will not work.

Maybe it's better to say that I had a really hard time finding a new set for Paula's rig and then for Alan's rig. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places. One of these days, I'll dig into it more.

I'm sure the summit parts aren't cheap! They want about $120/ea on the calipers alone!!
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bullet Posted: 29 April 2006 at 11:07am
    Hello there guys, well I guess this is news! I thought I would get on here and tell everyone about this new product of mine.....lets take it from the start, I have a client that has a 620 show truck that he wanted a large setup for his truck, so I built this kit for him and his needs. The parts that are in this kit are all built for this kit from scratch....the countersunk holes are for you to drill and tap for 5/16 countersink bolts to hold on to your rotor and hat so they wont fall when you worked on it or changing a tire...I thought this would be a good thing that you could use or not.....the rotor is a directional veined rotor that there is a left and a right and they scoop more air thus cooling better, and they are 13x.810.....and they have been gas vented also....the kit will include all hardware and braided steel lines that you will tell me how long you want them to be....sorry no master because everyone would want a differant size....according to how hard you want the pedal to be....I also sell pedal kits made by Wilwood......about the prop valve....the only reason for the valve is to soften the rears so they wont lock up, and I will tell you that most of the braking will be done from the front in this case...also I will be building the same type of brake for the rear and then I will include a valve at that point....clearence should not be a concern unless you have inset tires that will rub, the hat is almost 7.5 inches and hollow inside so there is plenty of room to move, thats an old blues tune!.....ok, so you have it now with most of your concerns on the table...Im sorry that it cost so much, but time and energy is worth money, and that is how I live, Im also a pro musician that is retired and do play about once or twice a month now....also about the hubs, this is very doable....but expensive....I will look into mod the hubs bearing size if this is a problem and you cant buy them any longer....I have put a lot of energy toward the 510s, and this is my first project with the pickup and I have a lot to learn from you fellows, so I will help when I can, and please let me know if there is any concerns about my products, and we will look into it together...thanks very much Paul
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bullet Posted: 29 April 2006 at 7:42pm

Welcome Paul:

There has been a LOT of interest in Disc brakes over the years and some want larger units while others want to be able to have the safety of discs while retaining the stock wheels...

The bearing is the hardest issue as I have been looking for many years for a new set and have not had the luck in finding one...well, I've found many that didn't work!

A complete bolt on is the best option offered so far (IMHO) and I'm sure others will pop up from time to time...the best option for me would be to be a bolt on upgrade, commonly replaceable bearings and be able to fit behind the stock rims...but to do that would require either milling the spindle or making a collar for it to change bearing sizes...

Good luck on your endeavor!

 

 

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bullet Posted: 29 April 2006 at 8:00pm
   Thanks for the welcome, I will look into the hub further....and also a smaller setup for stock wheels, I believe they were 14s....is there any reason to look into a different hub and attachment points....like say a ball joint instead of a kingpin arrangement? I dont know if this would be a over priced upgrade or would it be something that anybody would like or want.....well take care and if anyone has any ideas please let me know and I be working on this project in depth as the time permits....thanks PauL
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