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    Posted: 11 January 2005 at 8:53pm

Ok here's what happened:A Few Days ago, i noticed that oil was leaking from between the block and my head.So i went to re-tighten my bolts,and also because i shaved the head,i added another washer to each bolt.Everything was going fine,i torqued the bolts according to a  pattern in the book,in small increments,until final torque of 61 Ft/lbs.But as i was tightening a bolt that is in the very back,from the driver's side,with the wrench set at 30ft/lbs it snapped.The rest of the bolts are fine.

Now the question:How to get it out without taking the head off(i do not want to do that)

Will the rest of the bolts hold the head enough not to cause further problems or leaks( All head bolts are NEW ,designed for a 280ZX Turbo,bought from Nissan Dealership)

Please help me out guys

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bullet Posted: 11 January 2005 at 9:21pm
Can you get a drill started  straight on the bolt?  If so you may get a easy out to work if there is only 30 to 40 lb on it.
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bullet Posted: 11 January 2005 at 9:27pm
Yeah, put ALOT of bearing grease on the drill bit (carbide) to catch all metal shavings that could drop into your valve train, and you should be good.
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bullet Posted: 11 January 2005 at 9:35pm

Yes ,but the question is:will a drill bit be strong enugh to go through a Head bolt,i mean they're tough.

I had another idea:what if i put a little bit of JB Weld on the other side of the bolt,attach it,wait till it hardens then carefully take it out,what do you guys think?

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bullet Posted: 11 January 2005 at 9:37pm
JB weld is strong but not that strong, the stuff will break away from the bolt at probably 20 pounds of pressure

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bullet Posted: 11 January 2005 at 11:30pm
Ok,scrap that idea I guess it'sa tappin' an' a drilillin' for me
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 11:38am
if it broke off fairly flush you can put a nut over the hole and weld from the top of the bolt to the inside of the nut. let it cool down good and hope like hell. if its broken off down in then i'd try a reverse twist drill bit. i just retorqed my head bolts a while back and i was afraid the whole time that i was gonna end up in the boat you're in now. good luck.
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 11:45am
Originally posted by earwig

if it broke off fairly flush you can put a nut over the hole and weld from the top of the bolt to the inside of the nut. ck.


The only problem with that is that if it doesn't work, you are completely f@#*ed because the weld metal is harder than base metal, and the base metal will be harder because it's been heated. Not to mention, you will no longer have a flat sheared off bolt to drill into. Try drilling with the reverse twist extractors first.
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 11:54am
been there... done that...

i just went ahead and pulled the head... of course i had the motor out doing a reassembly...

might as well replace the timing chain if it needs it... if you are gonna have the head off anyway...

there shouldnt be much pressure on the threads and an easy out should work...
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 12:25pm
I would run it with with the broke headbolt and see what happens.

Its hard to believe it broke. I got one set on on 60Ibs I think. using the turbo bolts.
One stock set I think I went 10Lbs over.

always pre run the bolts in the bore.

might have to take the head off
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 1:21pm

Originally posted by Hainz

I would run it with with the broke headbolt and see what happens.

Its hard to believe it broke. I got one set on on 60Ibs I think. using the turbo bolts.
One stock set I think I went 10Lbs over.

always pre run the bolts in the bore.

might have to take the head off

I'm with Hainz.
Re-torqueing head gaskets (unless called for by the manufacture) is a recipe for disaster. They are made to operate at a certain crush thickness, and if they leak, they are bad and need to be replaced. L Series head bolts are designed to clinch at torque value, and still be able to stretch and rebound with the different expansion rates between the block and the head. Backing them off and retorqueing just stretches them even more if your lucky, or breaks them if you're not.

To truly fix it you will probably have to pull the head and if you are lucky enough to get the bolt out, then get new ones and replace. Use anti seize and chase the block threads with a tap first. If you can't get it out, it's drill and heli-coil time. Sorry dude, been there a couple of times, but both were removing the bolt.

 

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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 2:25pm
And on top of that this thing is still leaking like a mofo,Oh well,maybe i need to get a thicker gasket or something....
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 4:16pm
i think i'm gonna spend the $150 and get a copper head gasket when i redo my engine this time. that and not reuse the same head bolts for the third time. i'm feeling lucky that i didn't snap one off too.
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bullet Posted: 12 January 2005 at 4:52pm
I have done 2 motors with nissan gaskets and they were OK. Both used (used) bolts. One was a turbo set one standard low PSI L16 bolts.


Shure head is flat?

I did one head gasket with a cheapey and that even seen OK, It was only leaky by the front cover(novice)I was learning
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bullet Posted: 13 January 2005 at 12:09am

I would recommend pulling the head. If you remember to block the timing chain so the tensioner does not fall out it shouldn't take you too long to pull it. If you are sure the head is good (how long has it been on?) you might be able to get away without removing the exhaust and intake (but you will need to drop the exhaust pipe) and just lift the head up, pull out the bolt (use parrot jaw pliers to get it out) then clean it up, be sure to chase the threads and slide a new gasket in.

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bullet Posted: 16 January 2005 at 11:24pm

UPDate:

Well ,i took the bolt out.Had to take the head off to do it though,Oh well 4th time's the charm.I took that opportunity to upgrade to a Victor_Reinz(Napa) gasket,which seemed to be a bit thicker and better in quality,and sprayed it with copper Permatex spray a gasket,to enhance the holding power and to prevent form leaking.I will let you know how that went

 

On the separate note,Now i can't seem to get the truck started

.It cranks,but won't start,and caught one of the air cleaners on the carb on fire today(backfired)I put my sprocket on no 1 position on the dowel,and also on the shiny link,just like it was,and have not touched my distributor at all to adjust timing.But for me to put the upper sprocket into the dowels and onto the shiny link,i had top rotate the camshaft to do it.I am wondering if this is the culprit to the messed up timing or what???

Boy is this thing a royal pain in the!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suggestions and comments once again appreciated.

 

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bullet Posted: 17 January 2005 at 12:26am
1342 Counter clock wise rotation on the distributor.

When you put the cam sprocket on the dowel on the cam should be in the 12 o clock postion. Say you pick #1 dowel and you #1 dimple will be in the 2 oclock position. Of coarse this is #1 piston on compression stroke. That means you #1 intake will be in the 11 o clock pos, and the exhause in the 2 o clock postion

There will be a V groove on the cam sprocket and it should be right below the dash on the timming plate on the cam tower. That should line up. That is a timmed cam.

At TDC the dist shaft will be in a 11.28 o clock postion as looking from the intake side of motor. Install the dsit and the dist should lock in and the rotor will point to #1 plug.
Hopefully you put the oil pump back in the correct way with the dimple lined up so the pump coms out in the 11.28 postion,

There is a dimple on the oil/dist shaft and the pil pump will have a cut out on the insert shaft. Line that up and install it together. When installing it it will turn abit. Do this till it comes out in the 11.28 postion. If not then somethin is wrong.

Ps hopefully you primed the oil pump again if you took it off and the oil went out.

If need more help I can send photos of how to line up the oil pump and photo of a dist shaft at TDC(11.28 postion.

If at TDC11.28 postion just install the dist till it locks then install rotor. Wher the rotor is at will be #1 plug wire. Then on the cap going CCW will be #3 plug then 4 and 2 fire order.
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bullet Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:37pm

It's up and running again.Thanks Hainz,did as you said,started right up.Even drove around the block.Does not seem to be leaking from the gasket,but i will have to look at it better in the daylight

I will,however need to get another starter and alternator.I bought both at Kragen(Checkers Schucks),and one month later they went out.Starter solenoid needs to be started several times in order to turn,and there is an alternator light on the dash.Also the Positive red battery cable is getting extra hot for some reason.

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bullet Posted: 18 January 2005 at 12:08am
i suggest getting the starter and alternator from nissanparts.cc

The Schucks alternator ,The Autolite brand I seem to have good luck. Unless thats what you have already in there. The old MPA brand sucked and would go thru a buch of them
Beck Arney Brand alternator seem OK also But more expensive(Napa)

I dont know what alternator you have a ,35 or 50 amp but I have the part#s at work

I would go to Radio shack and get the alternator /battery diode checker. This will help you trouble shoot if you dont have a volt meter. I believe they are about 6$. Make sure battery is charging OK.
Get new cables if you havent already.
also make sure the connector to the soliniod is tite and not barely on there.

I went with a gear reduction starter 78 280z from nissanparts.cc it was $97 +25$ core plus shipping and tax. part# 23300-N5903R enter on nissanparts.cc website Have part # then enter, will give price.
The stock starter is fine and is 51$ and alternator is 51$
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bullet Posted: 19 January 2005 at 1:42pm

the positive cable is getting hot because its grounding out somewhere or you have another bad ground. that's also whats causing your starter and alternator problems. check your wires!!!

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