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Bleach
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Here is the start of my T5 swap. I'm putting in a 280zx turbo T5 5-speed transmission and turbo 2+2 driveshaft into my 1982 280ZX non-turbo. At the same time I'm replacing the flywheel to fix a broken tooth on the stock flywheel. I've got a new clutch kit (stock turbo 240mm) and stock Mustang shifter handle. I'll shorten it (cut down) for a slightly shorter throw. You can see the difference in length from the 2-seater and 2+2 driveshafts. Same bellhousing as the Nissan transmission; just removable. |
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Ryan in Seattle
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well, did you do it yet?
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defdes
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what makes the T5 more deireable, what years are they from?
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'72 LZ22 510
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datsunaholic
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The T-5 was used on '82-83 280ZX turbos. Prior year turbos didn't have a manual transmission- the Nissan FS5W71B couldn't handle the load.
The T-5 is a Borg-Warner unit, not a Nissan unit. While it's considered by most to be a light-duty transmission (they're only rated to handle 265ft/lbs torque) it's significantly more than the Nissan unit was rated for (200ft/lbs is pushing it). In case you were wondering, the Doglegs break a little over 130ft/lbs if used hard. The T-5 was introduced in 1982, and is still made today (though not in the same form as the '82 ones). It was widely used on Ford Mustangs, Chevy Camaros, Blazers, AMC Eagles and Jeep CJs, just to name a few. So a N/A L28 shouldn't be able to break it in Bleach's car. |
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defdes
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But in terms of gear ratios, they are both the same (Nissan vs. Warner)?
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datsunaholic
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Not quite, but both have a 1:1 4th. The only real exception is many Nissan competition boxes had a 1:1 5th.
The BW is availible with dang near every ratio under the sun, as it was used on V-8s. But I think all are overdrive. |
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Bleach
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Nissan 81-83 BorgWarner T5 1st 3.062 3.5 I have heard other say the T5 is rated for about 350 foot pounds. The guy in Z-Sport mag with the 450hp turbo 280ZX was using the stock T5 up to 400hp with no problems. Then he switch to a different transmission when he upped the boost. I do plan to rebuild a turbo L28 and drop that in some day. did I mention my stock tranny is shot? As far as the ratios, you can see 1st gear is much lower for more power from a dead stop. The shifts are spaced eveningly from 1st through 4th. 5th gear is tall, but just a tiny bit lower geared than the stock 5-speed. I'll be 50rpm higher on the freeway. The shifting feel is said to be more firm and precise like shifting a newer car. They use T5 shifter parts like Mustang short throw shifters ect. I bought a stock mustang shifter as I got a tip they have a better pivot point than the Nissan one included with the transmission. Plus I can use any of those glowing Neon shifters you get a Shucks! No, its not done yet! I haven't really done anything since this post was put up! I'm LAZY! |
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Bleach
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I drained the oil from the Nissan transmission. What a mess of metal chips and chunks on the magnet! The larger chunks were a surprise. I also jacked the car up higher. I've got the wheel ramps under the back wheels with jack stands also in the rear for added support. The front also went up higher. I'm a little paranoid of being under the car jacked up, but its held up really good and all four tires are staying on too. I got some pics of the underside of the car just for reference. Maybe I'll post those tonight. I got 1.5 bolts off the back of the driveshaft but its very tight up in there. A crossmember blocks the bolts partway; well, 1 hour of work done. Hopefully it won't be another 3 weeks untill the next time I work on the car! |
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Ryan in Seattle
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and to you I wish good luck.
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Bleach
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Thanks. And you're making me look bad by getting at that work done on your engine. I had to do something!
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lowpsi
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would that work in a 620?
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Dragging thru life
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Bleach
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Yes, with a custom rear tranny mount and you could use the turbo driveshaft and splice it into the center driveshaft of a 620. A shop would have to do that work and balance it. Low 1st gear, tall 5th. |
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Bleach
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Originally posted by Bleach
Hopefully it won't be another 3 weeks untill the next time I work on the car! ![]() Well, its been almost three weeks and no work on the car. I'll be working on it this weekend and I have help this time. I should have no problem finishing it. Also, I got some KYB shocks for the Z so now I can install those too! Got those blue oil filters and some other little goodies from our favorite Importedcarparts.com |
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Ryan in Seattle
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go Bleach, GO!!!
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Bleach
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The Nissan transmission is out. On the driveshaft I had to remove the little crossmember to swing the shaft down and out of the transmission. The major hangup today was my custom 2.5" exhaust. It hung down close to one side of the transmission and just slightly under it. The transmission drops down fine, but there is no room for side movement. After a lot of pulling and twisting of the transmission, the exhaust had to go. The dirty Nissan transmission next to the replacement. Swapping speedometer cogs was more of a chorse than I thought. When removing the housing for the Nissan cog, I got a few large chunks of metal with it. That old transmission has really shown its age. The old throwout bearing is all together, but the action feels gritty and it makes a swirling noise when spun. The new bearing is smooth and quiet. As I suspected, the rear main seal leaks and the inside of the bellhousing is very oily. The clutch is in good condition as far as the surface goes, but its worn down very far. Its about time to change the clutch anyway! Now I'm going to clean up the back of the engine, that plate between the tranny and block, and replace the rear main seal... oh, and pilot bushing. I hope that thing comes out ok. The bottle jack is there for a little support while I was shoving the tranny around. The engine mounts are very tight and the engine stays put very well. I'm happy about that. The T5 will go in next year. |
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Ryan in Seattle
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next year huh? Fun stuff, huh? You rather drop an l20 in, instead?
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defdes
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Nice Powerpoint Presentation, clear, succinct, thoughtful, good imagery....A+
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Bleach
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Originally posted by Ryan in Seattle
next year huh? Fun stuff, huh? You rather drop an l20 in, instead? Oh, its a new year now. Time to put the T5 in place. Ok, so the rear main seal is in. My dad let me use his dent puller with a bolt on the end. He rounded out the bolt head. The pilot bushing is not set in flush against anything in the back so I got the head of the bolt in there behind the edge and popped the bushing out.
Clutch went on good. I used thread lock on all flywheel and clutch cover bolts. (just a little) I specifically went out and purchased a rear tranny mount for a T5 with the crossmember. Funny thing is the non-turbo mount and crossmember are EXACTLY the same! I'm not sure how they predicted this, but all you do is turn the stock crossmember around 180 and it bolts right in. They are offset a small amount as you can see in the pics.
blah blah blah The grease and/or rock shield on the front of the Nissan tranny crossmember does not fit on when the crossmember is turned around 180 for fitment to the T5. That kind of part is optional anyway. Anyway, so the T5 went on with minimal trouble. Its all bolted up. Now all I hav left are details like the backup light wires need to be added onto to reach to the other side of teh transmission, and I need to install the driveshaft. oh, and do something with that exahust
I wrote this post like a how-to because I will copy and paste this onto my web site some day when I start working on my web site. Maybe next year? |
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Bleach
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I have figured out a strange little tidbit during my tranny swap. The speedo cog I pulled out of the stock Nissan transmission was blue. It had 18 teeth. The cog from the T5 was black with 19 teeth. I thought it was strange that a 3.54 (turbo) gear ratio would only be one tooth off from a 3.9 gear ratio... then how many teeth are for the 3.7 ratio???? aaahhh, the blue cog that was in my 280ZX the whole time was for a 3.7 ratio but I should have a 3.9 rear in my Z! What the crapola!?! With that in mind, who knows what kinda gear ratios are in the Nissan tranny I just pulled. So now I gotta run some tests to verify what transmission I pulled and what the actual gear ratio is of the diff in my car. This could result in me needing to find a different speedo cog. If I do have a 3.9 then I've been driving slower than my speedometer reads for the last 7 years! If I have a 3.7 then I can swap in a 3.9 for even more power! fun stuff... YELLOW is the 16 tooth for the 3.36 These numbers are for Z-cars. Datsun trucks have larger stock tires... so the final drive ratio is one step higher than stated. So in a 620 you would have... WHITE is the 19 tooth for the 4.11 As an example, a white cog could be used in a: Lower gear ratio, taller tires. |
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tdaaj
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yeah this is stuff i never paid attention too before. cool to know.
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numourous amount of datsuns
1 jeep 2 troopers 1 chevy 70 chrysler newport 383 power 71 Plymouth Fury 3 (girlfriends car) |
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